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ANNOTATION:
The term 'sexuality' is too unclear to use in PCP

My suggestion would be: rewrite this text without using the word sex, sexual, sexuality or any other form with the term ‘sex’ in it. The reason for my suggestion is, that the meaning of the word 'sex(ual-ity)' has become too unclear and indistinct to be useful for an explicit and clear treatise like the PCP. Although it might seem evident, that you do not mean any of the hallucinative, addictive, confused and distorted connotations that have become attached to this term, nobody in this world, and not in the least on the Internet, can completely refrain from these confusions that have become ‘normal’. So, if you mean procreation use procreation. If you want to point out, that it is about procreation with two different genders involved, in contrast to cloning and other kinds of single gender procreation, than be specific about that and name it dual gender procreation, etc. Sexuality and dual gender procreation can not be used as synonyms, since in the world of the human species there are many instances of procreation without any sexuality involved, and since there is even more sexuality without any procreation. In the human world procreation can be in many forms that have little to do with the common connotation of the word sexual(ity), like artificial insemination, In Vitro Insemination, and since the sheep ‘Dolly’ even cloning!


Author: Kate n'ha Ysabet (kate_wolf[ at ]cheerful.com)
Date: Jan 9, 2002

REPLY: sex not gender

Gender is normally used to imply a socialy learned group in fact 
The World Health Organisation definition of gender is: 
The term "gender" is used to describe those characteristics of women and men that are socially constructed, in contrast to those that are biologically determined. People are born female or male, but learn to be girls and boys who grow into women and men. They are taught what the appropriate behaviour and attitudes, roles and activities are for them, and how they should relate to other people. These learned attributes are what make up gender identity and determine gender roles
see http://www.who.int/frh-whd/GandH/genddef.htm
 
The use of the word sex is slightly clearer here in that it is commonly linked to the word sexuality. However it is important to recognise that sex itself in humans is an invented catergory 
that sex characteristics are not "real" but are arbitary inventions designed to create two social groups and our methord of delineating these two groups has changed in the last last few hundred years see Thomas Laqueur  Making Sex:  Body and Gender from the Greeks to Freud.  Cambridge:  Harvard University Press for a history of that change. 

Our modern definition of two clearly distict "sexes" only became a "reality" with the work of John Money et al in the 1960's, as the latest in a line of sexologists building out of earlier work seeking to define sex primary, secondary, tertairy and quarternary sex characteristics. This work itself was built on the key ideas of 19th century biology such as degeneration (as opposed to generation which was later renamed reproduction). Work on sexology built and worked beside work by anatomists, and interacted with anthropology and wider medical research it was also closely realted to work on the study of race: eugenics. Degeneration became a diry word when it became linked to the Nazi's and there extermination programme. However many of the ideas of degeneation are emmbeded in modern 20th and 21st century biology. 

Thus sex itself is filled with cultural ideas and needs to be used with caution and not assumed to be a "real" and "true". In fact the plant knigdom gives a wide variety of methords of repeated generation of reproduction, but which have been reclassiffied as examples of binary sex creation of individuals.

  


Author: Kate n'ha Ysabet (kate_wolf[ at ]cheerful.com)
Date: Jan 9, 2002

REPLY: sex not gender

Gender is normally used to imply a socially learned group in fact
The World Health Organisation definition of gender is: 
The term "gender" is used to describe those characteristics of women and men that are socially constructed, in contrast to those that are biologically determined. People are born female or male, but learn to be girls and boys who grow into women and men. They are taught what the appropriate behaviour and attitudes, roles and activities are for them, and how they should relate to other people. These learned attributes are what make up gender identity and determine gender roles
see http://www.who.int/frh-whd/GandH/genddef.htm

The use of the word sex is slightly clearer here in that it is commonly linked to the word sexuality. However it is important to recognise that sex itself in humans is an invented category. That sex characteristics are not "real" but are arbitrary inventions designed to create two social groups and our method of delineating these two groups has changed in the last few hundred years see Thomas Laqueur Making Sex:  Body and Gender from the Greeks to Freud.  Cambridge:  Harvard University Press for a history of that change. 

Our modern definition of two clearly distinct "sexes" only became a "reality" with the work of John Money et al in the 1960's, as the latest in a line of sexologists building out of earlier work seeking to define sex primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary sex characteristics. This work itself was built on the key ideas of 19th century biology such as degeneration (as opposed to generation which was later renamed reproduction). Work on sexology built and worked beside work by anatomists, and interacted with anthropology and wider medical research it was also closely related to work on the study of race: eugenics. Degeneration became a dirty word when it became linked to the Nazi's and their extermination programme. However many of the ideas of degeneation are embedded in modern 20th and 21st century biology.

Thus sex itself is filled with cultural ideas and needs to be used with caution and not assumed to be a "real" and "true". In fact the plant kingdom gives a wide variety of methods of repeated generation of reproduction, but which have been reclassified as examples of binary sex creation of individuals.


  


Author: Kate n'ha Ysabet (kate_wolf[ at ]cheerful.com)
Date: Jan 9, 2002

REPLY: sex not gender

Gender is normally used to imply a socially learned group in fact
The World Health Organisation definition of gender is: 
The term "gender" is used to describe those characteristics of women and men that are socially constructed, in contrast to those that are biologically determined. People are born female or male, but learn to be girls and boys who grow into women and men. They are taught what the appropriate behaviour and attitudes, roles and activities are for them, and how they should relate to other people. These learned attributes are what make up gender identity and determine gender roles
see http://www.who.int/frh-whd/GandH/genddef.htm

The use of the word sex is slightly clearer here in that it is commonly linked to the word sexuality. However it is important to recognise that sex itself in humans is an invented category. That sex characteristics are not "real" but are arbitrary inventions designed to create two social groups and our method of delineating these two groups has changed in the last few hundred years see Thomas Laqueur Making Sex:  Body and Gender from the Greeks to Freud.  Cambridge:  Harvard University Press for a history of that change. 

Our modern definition of two clearly distinct "sexes" only became a "reality" with the work of John Money et al in the 1960's, as the latest in a line of sexologists building out of earlier work seeking to define sex primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary sex characteristics. This work itself was built on the key ideas of 19th century biology such as degeneration (as opposed to generation which was later renamed reproduction). Work on sexology built and worked beside work by anatomists, and interacted with anthropology and wider medical research it was also closely related to work on the study of race: eugenics. Degeneration became a dirty word when it became linked to the Nazi's and their extermination programme. However many of the ideas of degeneation are embedded in modern 20th and 21st century biology.

Thus sex itself is filled with cultural ideas and needs to be used with caution and not assumed to be a "real" and "true". In fact the plant kingdom gives a wide variety of methods of repeated generation of reproduction, but which have been reclassified as examples of binary sex creation of individuals.


  


Author: Kate n'ha Ysabet (kate_wolf[ at ]cheerful.com)
Date: Jan 9, 2002

REPLY: sex not gender

Gender is normally used to imply a socially learned group in fact
The World Health Organisation definition of gender is: 
The term "gender" is used to describe those characteristics of women and men that are socially constructed, in contrast to those that are biologically determined. People are born female or male, but learn to be girls and boys who grow into women and men. They are taught what the appropriate behaviour and attitudes, roles and activities are for them, and how they should relate to other people. These learned attributes are what make up gender identity and determine gender roles
see http://www.who.int/frh-whd/GandH/genddef.htm

The use of the word sex is slightly clearer here in that it is commonly linked to the word sexuality. However it is important to recognise that sex itself in humans is an invented category. That sex characteristics are not "real" but are arbitrary inventions designed to create two social groups and our method of delineating these two groups has changed in the last few hundred years see Thomas Laqueur Making Sex:  Body and Gender from the Greeks to Freud.  Cambridge:  Harvard University Press for a history of that change. 

Our modern definition of two clearly distinct "sexes" only became a "reality" with the work of John Money et al in the 1960's, as the latest in a line of sexologists building out of earlier work seeking to define sex primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary sex characteristics. This work itself was built on the key ideas of 19th century biology such as degeneration (as opposed to generation which was later renamed reproduction). Work on sexology built and worked beside work by anatomists, and interacted with anthropology and wider medical research it was also closely related to work on the study of race: eugenics. Degeneration became a dirty word when it became linked to the Nazi's and their extermination programme. However many of the ideas of degeneation are embedded in modern 20th and 21st century biology.

Thus sex itself is filled with cultural ideas and needs to be used with caution and not assumed to be a "real" and "true". In fact the plant kingdom gives a wide variety of methods of repeated generation of reproduction, but which have been reclassified as examples of binary sex creation of individuals.


  


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Date
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